Curse

bhavv · Jul 22, 2009, 08:27 AM // 08:27

I love youtube. I hate the BNP. Yet YouTube has to be full of videos about the BNP, so I end up watching them to find out more about the BNP, and its supporters.

Recently, I got into strongly opposing and attacking Pro BNP people, and realised that, being the internet noobs that most of them are, they were very easy to bait, and are easilly pushed into revealing their true self through a case of 'OMG you are soooo ****** that my brain is going to explode now and write crazy racist stuff, but oh noez, I AM NOT A RACIST OR A FASCIST!!!!!!'

In doing so, I did use a few obscenities myself, and spoke in an insultive manner, even sometimes just saying totally crazy stuff and even pretending to be muslim / black / arab / pakistani etc etc, just to see what I can get them to say in reply to my posts.

This one case was funny though, because the Youtube user has the name of 'PrimeMinisterGriffin'. Yes, I know it isnt Nick Griffin himself, nor that (hopefully) he will never become prime minister, but the things that this guy said under his username after I pushed and pushed and provoked his patience were astounding, not only racist, but seriously soooo racially prejudiced that no ordinary person, or someone who would just be faking this would normally be able to come up with.

So anyway, what I did was that I pretended to a Black Englishman after reading this article here:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/we...1466-23970445/

And particularly being inspired by the mentality of Vaughan Gething, the first black President of Wales TUC, who strongly identifies himself as a Black Welshman, in response to Nick Griffins claim that “no such thing as a black Welshman”.

So I decided to to be a Black Englishman, while using quotes from this article to discuss. The whole discussion was very very long, taking much baiting, poking, and provocation of defending myself as a Black Englishman and belitiling him for not accepting or agreeing with my personal belief.

So I will post a screenshot of comments that he posted. I have to place a HUGE WARNING (<<<< Probably not huge enough), that this is very very racist and may cause offense to many people who read it, and I also believe, before people start calling it fake, that this is seriously too genuinely insulting to be fake. Notice that I myself am not affected by insults, due to years of being toughened up through internet use, and were knowing that comments like these would have been posted because this is what I manage to push around 80% of BNP supporters that I talk to>
So here is the image. It is too big and offensive to be embedded, so I'll provide a link. It is best to read the comments from the bottom upwards:

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6...gtobeblack.jpg

Yes I said some bad things too, but I seriously dont know anyone who wouldnt if spoken to like that, normally it would end up in bloodshed if said in reallife though. But I really felt like this needed to be shared, due to the combination of epic profanities and his username. [I nearly inserted a happy face smiley here, but this isnt anything to be happy about].

So I'll just be posting this everywhere that I can for fun now, and might make more in the future. Oh, the thing is that a lot of these BNP supporters think that they can get away with stulff like this on youtube and nobody will ever find out, so that is another reason why I am posting it. Also, when I report such users and accounts, Youtube never take any action against or do anything to block them, so they get to carry on posting like this thinking that they can get away with it and no one will find out or take it seriously. But it should be taken seriously, and the BNP should somehow be disallowed from using youtube to spread their propaganda, but this wont ever happen due to freedom of speech I know

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Sorry if this isnt allowed on Guru, but I would like to post it here and maybe even get a discussion going.

Etta · Jul 22, 2009, 09:07 AM // 09:07

What do you expect, really? Most of their members are uneducated, unemployed northerners. Some don't even know what the BNP really is but became a member anyway. Most of their votes came from,.....Wigan and North Yorkshire, so yeah. :P

bhavv · Jul 22, 2009, 09:10 AM // 09:10

I know what to expect =D. I just wanted to screenshot and post this one too on a few forums.

Ive been chatting with them for quite some time, it occupies my time

But this was amusing because of the username, and I cant stop chatting to them o.O.

I just like making them say those things.

I also like chatting to the extremist Christians and Muslims on youtube, dont know why, I'm addicted to talking to stupid people.

Go go next random Creationism video =D.

English Warrior · Jul 22, 2009, 11:55 AM // 11:55

Its a choice made by a person to support a political party, I think u are incorrect to be using the people as bait because u disagree with their views, just my 2 cents. and yes if i did vote i wud have voted for BNP.

Solas · Jul 22, 2009, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by bhavv

So I decided to to be a Black Englishman, while using quotes from this article to discuss. The whole discussion was very very long, taking much baiting, poking, and provocation of defending myself as a Black Englishman and belitiling him for not accepting or agreeing with my personal belief.

Go go democracy.

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But it should be taken seriously, and the BNP should somehow be disallowed from using youtube to spread their propaganda, but this wont ever happen due to freedom of speech I know

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..well I'm pretty sure that the other political parties have some propaganda up there too.

English Warrior · Jul 22, 2009, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Lets be honest the OP is about as biased as u can get.

daraaksii · Jul 22, 2009, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Radical liberalism is radical liberalism.

Fril Estelin · Jul 22, 2009, 01:59 PM // 13:59

I can tell you that it's good some of these guys are layman at net technos, because the French equivalent of this hate political party are more versed into technos and much nastier at various levels (they will for example not trust you until you've proven yourself).

I salute your actions to show the true colors of these hate people. I have a lot of pitty for them, to live such a miserable life in hate. I don't hate them, I don't want to come close to their mental conditions. But they're a real danger to the cohesion of our societies.

I was afraid that the BNP would get very big a few weeks ago at election time, and they did get some councilors, but I hope people will wake up and see their FUD tactics. And most importantly the other political parties UNITE against them. They can talk, but their lies can be countered.

If you were to dig deeper into their structures, you'd see that a lot of European movements are involved, most underground, some like the BNP in the open. There's a very vocal minority of people who are trying to create a space of "politically correct hate" where they can express their racism/xenophobia/fear/hate.

I know it sounds like a movie scenario, a dream invented by some random lambda on the net, but it's not. Alas.

bhavv · Jul 22, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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Originally Posted by English Warrior

Its a choice made by a person to support a political party, I think u are incorrect to be using the people as bait because u disagree with their views, just my 2 cents. and yes if i did vote i wud have voted for BNP.

Using political view to mask racism is not anymore acceptable then racism without the political view.

Your 2 cents mean of course that you agree that people should be allowed to be racists, even within a political party in the UK.

Dont be too surprised if other people do not tolerate your beliefs.

English Warrior · Jul 22, 2009, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Using political view to mask racism is not anymore acceptable then racism without the political view.

Your 2 cents mean of course that you agree that people should be allowed to be racists, even within a political party in the UK.

Dont be too surprised if other people do not tolerate your beliefs.

If people want to be racist let them be racist, at the end of the day being racist is being discriminate towards a group of people, is this anymore than your doing towards the BNP?.
And if people disagree with my vies then they do but its my view.

Etta · Jul 22, 2009, 03:14 PM // 15:14

Why hate someone for the color of their skin when there are much better reasons to hate them? Just saying y'know.

English Warrior · Jul 22, 2009, 03:17 PM // 15:17

I agree, but some people want any reason to hate people. Im not on any side i just disagree with what the OP did.

bhavv · Jul 22, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by English Warrior

I agree, but some people want any reason to hate people. Im not on any side i just disagree with what the OP did.

Watching a video on youtube and talking to the people in the comments section defending that a Black man can be either Welsh or English?

Why disagree with that?

Freedom to hate is one thing. Turning that hatred into a political party now with a shocking number of supporters, votes, and funding is another.

Hatred should not be able to disguise itself as a political party and get away with what any normal person would not.

Etta · Jul 22, 2009, 03:34 PM // 15:34

I can see why some people voted for them though. Seeing the current situation that we in, plus as I said before the kind of poople that like them. I mean you won't believe some stuff that came out of their mouths and some of them are not even racist, just really stupid.

bhavv · Jul 22, 2009, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Etta

I can see why some people voted for them though. Seeing the current situation that we in, plus as I said before the kind of poople that like them. I mean you won't believe some stuff that came out of their mouths and some of them are not even racist, just really stupid.

I have heard just about everything I can from them, and it isnt very good.

People say that they are voting them as a protest vote, yet the BNP recieved less votes this year then they did in the last general election, the problem is people like myself who have voter apathy and did not vote for anyone to drown out the fewer BNP votes.

I seriously do not care for who is in charge of the country, unless of course it was the BNP. I realise now that I, as well as others actually should vote for anyone else to drown out the votes that the BNP recieve.

Of course, in the last election, and up untill this year, the BNP were not seen as seriou and were just laughed at. Then they win two Euro seats.

The pitfall of voter apathy in the UK, not a result of our current economic or governmental status, otherwise the number of BNP votes would have incread in number, not decreased.

English Warrior · Jul 22, 2009, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Watching a video on youtube and talking to the people in the comments section defending that a Black man can be either Welsh or English?

Why disagree with that?

Freedom to hate is one thing. Turning that hatred into a political party now with a shocking number of supporters, votes, and funding is another.

Hatred should not be able to disguise itself as a political party and get away with what any normal person would not.

Using identities as bait is what i disagree with.

bhavv · Jul 22, 2009, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by English Warrior

Using identities as bait is what i disagree with.

The identity issue was not the bait. I were already discussing the article I linked and quoted the person who describes himself as a black Welshman, and that is where it was assumed that I was black by the other person. I then played along and said 'I'm a Black Englishman actually, the Welshman was quoted from that article', which eventually led to the obsceities. I usually just play along as who other people assume me to be.

Regardless of what race I say I am (I am actually asian),no one should still end up spewing such comments. I didnt bait anyone into saying anything racist about Black people, I just had them assume that my skin colour was black and that I am English.

This is not really the bait, the bait was just conversing and engaging him to reveal what he really thought about minorities in the UK, I enjoy doing this to plenty of people who claim not to be racist, then a little while later, there they are spewing racial obscenities. Their fault, not mine. I never use racially insultive words like those no matter what.

English Warrior · Jul 22, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

So your assuming every1 supporting and the BNP are complete racists because u printscreened a person being racist who is questionably from the BNP?

Diddy bow · Jul 22, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Its easy to call the BNP "The Big Bad Racist Party". Their members are racist and so are their suppoerters, but pretending to be a foreigner just to annoy them and make a big argument to show off about on a fourum doesn't make you much smarter.

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But it should be taken seriously, and the BNP should somehow be disallowed from using youtube to spread their propaganda, but this wont ever happen due to freedom of speech I know

I don't see how a bunch of their supporters being ignorant warrants capping their media presence. Letting the government censor opposition media is far worse than anything the BNP can and will ever do.

Faer · Jul 22, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

I support the BNP and find it humorous how uninformed some of you are. The BNP is the last bastion of hope for the United Kingdom, and should be applauded for their desire to protect the sovereign state.